Make an Offer. Ferrule? 1920's and 1930's Grover Presto Original 4 String Tailpiece Sold out. Around 1888, the A.C. Fairbanks Co., Fairbanks was joined by … MIH. The neck wouldn't come out of the pot opening due to that pesky Fairbanks plaque so they took it off, completed the refurbish or set-up work, slid the dowel with neck attached back into the pot, and stamped the dowel with the current Vega stamp. I was under the impression it was the 28 piece but according to the Tsumura red book it was the 4 piece. I have seen tenor banjos with the same configuration, but this one is odd that the serial number indicates 1908, but the dowelstick's Fairbanks by Vega stamp is always seen on later instruments. Has 26 brackets, looks like the original tailpiece and original patent pending planet tuners that work very well. Epiphone EB-188 Plantation Extra Long Neck (1964) SKU: 60U-205804. Vega Fairbanks Whyte Laydie, Large Pot Tenor Banjo, 17 Fret, ohsc. One of those choices would have been the 8-string tailpiece (that they already had in stock) that is on your banjo. What's underneath? This is the 1927 Paramount Aristocrat 4-string tenor banjo! Because tenor banjos orders weren't the norm back then, maybe Vega just thought they'd try out a couple of proposed future "improvements" on this one. Information on vintage Fairbanks Banjos including: dating by serial numbers, construction and tonerings, banjos wanted and for sale. Gibson TB-3 Conversion (1931) SKU: 70U-206060. I just acquired this beautiful vintage Vega tenor with the griffin peghead in a trade. BR The patent for the 4 piece Vega Vox flange, with its trapezoidal shaped soundholes, was filed 03/21/1927 and issued to William Nelson on 03/12/1929. Grandfather Frank worked at Thompson-Odell, Stromberg and The Fairbanks-Vega Co. building instruments. Yeah it looks like the plain spunover (I think Fairbanks nomenclature would have it as a Special No 0) but super clean. So can Waverlys but the holes will be bigger. On sale. My Dad has played his entire life and passed away 1-27-2011 ).ABMs can be installed with a slight modification and reuse the original tuner buttons — again with a slight modification. This 3 page PDF includes the original cover and two page sheet music from the "Silver Bell Series" . It seems to coincide roughly with the introduction of the Vox models, the earliest serial number of which I have recorded is 93828. So, to put it concisely, the theory is that the [sn 24919] rim is a Vega product consistent with the 1908 production and the F-V stamped dowel and neck are later, say 1912. Time left 4d 7h left. The second that someone screwed that resonator bracket into the dowel stick, pristine and all-original left the building, never to return. I have another theory. It says its dated 1920. Composed by Charles R. Shibley. mikehalloran - Posted - 12/28/2019: 15:28:29. The pot and nuts conform to the Regent model so this may have been how it started it's life. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? According to banjo historian Stu Cohen, checking the relevant catalogs, "The Vegaphone (a Tubaphone model with the 28 piece flange and resonator) was introduced in August, 1923. A: There are a very few Fairbanks made banjos (several of them Regents) with pre-fire serial numbers circa 22900, stamped simply "Vega" in an oval border. However, I am grateful for having received (and continue to receive) help and support from Jim Bollman, Stu Cohen, George Gruhn and Stan Werbin plus too many readers to mention all of them here, but all of whom have contributed information that either added to or confirmed what we now know. About This Listing. ", Much of the information included in this article is the result of my own research, and therefore any errors are mine to claim. 1908) with gryphon headstock inlay. Tenor banjos are more affordable than ever in today's market. But as far as I know, the Vega mando banjos of that era had rim diameters of less than 8 inches. You may, however, start a new topic and refer to this topic with a link: http://www.banjohangout.org/archive/359878. vintagetenor - Posted - 12/29/2019: 16:11:54. $350.00. Please call us if you are looking to sell instruments by Martin, Gibson, Fender, Epiphone, Vega, Gretsch, National, Fairbanks. Free shipping. Q: What years was the flower pot headstock inlay available on the Tubaphone style 3, 5 string banjo? Hello again, this has been really fun to hear all the theories. $4,500 $4,950. 1924 " B&D MARCH" Tenor Banjo Solo - Offering a Download containing high quality scans of the ORIGINAL Tenor Banjo Solo from my personal archive. Vega continued to mark their banjos "A.C. Fairbanks" until the middle teens. If Waverly tuners drop in, the holes have already been altered — for that matter, same goes for ABM tuners unless Champions were original — and it's easy to tell this banjo does not have Champions (maybe it did once? Get started with Bill's Beginning Banjo course, or hone your bluegrass chops in Bluegrass Banjo. $45. Fairbanks Regent c. 1901 SOLD, PENDING TRANSFER OF FUNDS (sold) Used - Very Good Condition / Country: United States - State: TX Last Updated 9/5/2014. 50+ Joined Reverb. $150 Photos Cole. The A.C. Fairbanks Company (incorporated 1875) was succeeded in 1903 by the Vega Company (established 1889). The patent for the individual flange plates was filed 10/30/1923 and issued to Carl Nelson 08/11/1925. Banjo historian, Jim Bollman, has documented a Fairbanks/Vega Regent tenor scale four-string banjo bearing serial number 24545 (ca. The Paramount Leader Tenor Banjo was produced from 1922 to 1935 by William Lange and company in New York City, and was one of the most popular mid-range, professional grade banjos available. They moved to Needham Heights, where the owners were closer to home. Bob -You saw what I was doing with my theory as you pointed out here early on - the Vega dowel stamp is inconsistent with the serial number and I was theorizing of ways to reconcile this anomaly.Jim Bollman has said the OP Vega dowel stamp started in the S/N 26XXX time frame.Hank Schwartz has said the OP Vega dowel stamp was used 1910-1919.Before that the Fairbanks plaque (tag) depicted above was used on Vega banjo dowels.From the earliest Vega serial number date chart by Jim Bollman in June 1978 Pickin' magazine to our own Banjotrader in his revised chart of Sept. 2016 the OP number is consistent with 1908 build which is too early for the Vega dowel stamp. Tenor banjo vintage banjos fairbanks model n banjo. Here is the neck heel. 1920's Vega Tubaphone Deluxe ON HOLD 2-16. During this time they both tested some of the finest stringed instruments ever made. The Nelsons were the owners of, and assigned their patents to, Vega. Edited by - mikehalloran on 12/30/2019 23:08:20, beezaboy - Posted - 12/31/2019: 04:12:09. All Forums In a ... J.H. A: Serial #91892 is the earliest collected banjo with the bolts through the rim. That was in 1909. 1920"s Washburn Style 2 Click on the pics … Q: At what point did Vega go to "through the rim" bracket bolts on its WL and TPH banjos? If friction tuners are not acceptable to you, purchasing another might be a better plan of action. Does it make a difference that the dowel is stamped with the same serial number, or could that have been done at the time of the theoretical custom conversion? Thank you. This is great info, thanks to all! But do we know for sure when the F-V stamp actually came into existence? Shipped From. In the 1960s, urban renewal in Boston forced Vega to move from the Columbus Avenue location where they had been from 1917 to c1961, to Leon Street in Boston, where they stayed until 1966. Vega offered banjos in many sizes, so it stands to reason the 28 flanges would predate the 4 pieces, since they could go on a greater variety of sizes. Fairbanks Banjo, Fairbanks and Cole No. I did check the hole diameter to be sure the Waverly tuners fit. Its hard to tell based on the angle of your photo but It looks like a little wonder pot (or the like with a simple rolled brass ring) that neck is awesome though! The hole spacing for the Fairbanks tag should be approx. 2016. That is, how long did Vega have the stamp before they actually began using on all banjos?We've all seen (or own) 5-string and mandolin banjos in the 24xxx period with the Fairbanks tag. Replacement dowel. Optional tailpiece hanger bolt & nut is $5. American Tenor Banjo, The Vega Company, Boston, c. 1930, stamped FAIRBANKS BANJO, MADE BY, THE VEGA COMPANY, BOSTON MASS and 51568 on the dowel stick, the inside rim stamped 51568, diameter of head 11 3/4 in., with case. These early ones don't conform completely to regular cataloged models because they were made to order from Vega for the first several years.In my opinion, it would be far better not to alter this particular banjo at all. Fairbanks & Cole (1886) SKU: 60U-203461. In 1875, Albert Conant Fairbanks was making basic 5-string banjos but, starting around 1880, Fairbanks teamed with a prominent musician, William Cole, to create and sell banjos that rivaled the best available at the time. The years matched to the serial numbers are an educated approximation; they are accurate within a year or two, and even the dates of introduction of major improvements are based on ads, catalogs, and contemporary news releases. Tenor Banjo Simple Brass Rod tone ring: G: Banjorine Whyte Laydie tone ring: H: Banjorine Tubaphone tone ring: K: Mandolin or Ukulele banjo Simple Brass Rod tone ring: L: Mandolin Banjo Whyte Laydie tone ring: M: Tenor Banjo Tubaphone tone ring: N: Tenor Banjo "Wonder" style tone ring: R: Tenor Banjo Whyte Laydie tone ring: S: Mandolin Banjo Tubaphone tone ring: X: No. The "flegle" in the headstock is consistent with a Tubaphone NO 3 from 1912–1915/16 or so — post flowerpot/pre Imperial Electric torch. Inspired by the original equipment found on Fairbanks banjos before 1900. That gryphon has a 1912 vibe to it, so fits with your theory.Bob Smakula, beezaboy - Posted - 12/29/2019: 07:52:12. Watch; 1920 Vega/Fairbanks Electric 5-String Banjo. That suuuure looks like Waverly (est. From United Areas. $1,500. That later style dowel brace on the banjo in question is certainly inconsistent with the factory norm at the time of that serial number.So, taking into account the dowel stamp and the neck attachment hardware, what I put forth seems to be hardly likely. $11,000 . beezaboy - Posted - 12/29/2019: 12:57:10. Jim Bollman - Posted - 12/29/2019: 22:12:11. STYLE“M” c. 1922, SN: 48920 This banjo is a beautiful example of a tenor banjo perfect for playing Irish music. Martin, a respected guitar manufacturer, in Nazareth, PA. Martin made some banjos, and marketed import instruments, under the Vega brand name until March, 1979 when they sold the Vega rights to the Galaxy Trading Company, an Asian conglomerate. From 1890 to 1914 Fairbanks (later Vega) made Fred Bacon banjos. Between 1903 and 1914 Vega made some S.S. Stewart banjos. Thanks, Bob and John, for the insights. Updated 2-12-21. Some time later the owner brought the banjo back to Vega for some refurbish or set up work. 1915) tailpiece cover to me, too. Other Banjo-Related Topics Hello! Saw a Fairbanks/Vega tenor for $400. This is an excellent quality short scale tenor banjo suitable for modern Celtic music. 4-String Banjo Tailpieces. The tuning in 5ths was very convenient for single-note playing but when chorded gave the instrument a somewhat harsh sound that led players to later simply remove the 5th string from the standard banjo creating the plectrum banjo. Take your playing to the next level with the help of a local or online banjo teacher. 'I guess it's easier to break the normal clawhammer mode sometimes' 5 hrs, '4 Kat Eyz banjo bridges 5/8" Crowe spacing' 6 hrs, 'Or Trade for 5/8” Scorpion and Hatfield bridge' 7 hrs. $2,999.00. That will give us a little more information.And if you are going to upgrade to geared tuners, take off one tuner and measure the hole. R. Blakeslee Gilpin - Posted - 12/28/2019: 11:32:59. Q: At what point did Vega go from ball end to open end bracket nuts? Get started with Bill's Beginning Banjo course, or hone your bluegrass chops in Bluegrass Banjo. Fairbanks/Vega tenor banjo Fairbanks/Vega tenor banjo I am trying to find a decent banjo to play Irish music on. Fairbanks restarted the numbering at about 1, as did W.A. Specify long bolt (2-1/4") or short bolt (1-3/8") Photo. $845 + $65 Shipping. 20 7/8" scale, 3-piece maple neck with ebony fingerboard and engraved m.o.p. Stelling Virginian (2009) SKU: 70U-205932. vintagetenor - Posted - 12/29/2019: 12:34:32. It is an antique Vega Fairbanks "Little Wonder" 4 string tenor banjo. 1 3/4".That type of mandolin banjo tailpiece was used on many instruments, including mando banjos made by Vega. Quick Shipper. Sales. They weren't there for long before selling to Martin. Wow - It's in great condition considering it's near 100 years old! It does look like a simple hoop ring. Thanks! Now, all this may seem a bit goofy to you 5-stringers but if you've been studying the evolution of the tenor banjo and you see a Vega tenor banjo with a 24XXX serial number the wheels start turning and the juices flowing. This is a sweet little folio that you can print and include in the case of your Bacon banjo. I agree with Bob Smakula that the best way to describe this anomaly banjo is that it was retrofitted at the factory with a four string neck and new dowel with the dowel serial # stamped to match the rim. In the mid-1980s, The Deering Banjo Company purchased the Vega name and rights from Galaxy and brought this venerable banjo name back to the US and their Spring Valley, CA factory. Based on mugwumps.com, it seems to be a Whyte Laydie or Tubaphone from around 1900–1909. Like the tenor banjo, it is almost always played with a flat Thanks for checking it out! Rims? Would this be a decent buy and ok for playing irish tunes? Nechville … $8,500. Edited by - dadey on 12/28/2019 13:18:22, vintagetenor - Posted - 12/28/2019: 14:48:27. Watch. Martin Howley (tenor banjo, mandolin, vocals) is a seven-time all-Ireland banjo champion, and a performer of unique energies, who holds the distinction of being the first Irish musician to perform at the Grand Ole Opry. The 4 piece flange was introduced in August, 1928, along with the Vega Vox and the addition of Pearloid on the resonator wall." Also, it seems to me that the holes on the dowel are for the resonator hardware, not for a Fairbanks metal tag. $1,050 $1,200. Payment & Returns . Likely a Regent. Modern brands on display include the Deering Banjo Company and Gibson. I’m learning a lot here! Could it be a mando conversion? So please consider leaving the original tuners on this one. Traditions services and international tracking offered. For an in depth discussion about important dating information visit the Fairbanks Research article. Of the theories here, I tend to believe the one put forth by Bob Smakula: that the neck, as well as the dowelsick were replaced.I base my preference for that based on the fact that banjo posted by John Hoft, bearing a slightly later serial number, 24988, utilizes the older style neck attachment hardware, whereas the OPs slightly earlier banjo, 24919, has the later attachment.I do acknowledge that all of this is theory, though, and I'm not dead certain about any of them. So how did this come to be?I'll give another scenario I'd like to believe in support of my view that Vega made the first manufactured tenor banjo [I won't go into the yada, yada as I wrote an article for All Frets magazine about the 1907 Schall Banjorine-Mandolin vs. the Vega Tenor Banjo as to which might have been the first, firstest true tenor banjo. BTW, Bob has the extra-good-guy price on Gotoh 2-band tuners which take the same hole size as the Waverly and can accept the original buttons (again, with sleight modification). DL The original Fairbanks plaque went into the parts basket.Now, all this may seem a bit goofy to you 5-stringers but if you've been studying the evolution of the tenor banjo and you see a Vega tenor banjo with a 24XXX serial number the wheels start turning and the juices flowing.
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